"I wunt 4 wheel brakes too!" 

"Carbon Fiber Sasquatch" (turbopumpkin) 11/26/2018 at 13:28 • Filed to: None

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Yes I know that cars have had four wheel braking for decades

functionoverfashion > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch 11/26/2018 at 13:43

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But! But! But!  

But seriously, unless you’re driving a manually-shifted-into-4wd-with-a-transfer-case (and also don’t have ABS) ....

https://jalopnik.com/this-should-settle-the-4wd-vs-2wd-winter-braking-debate-1822591648

This wasn’t even their first video on this topic, but their earlier ones made so many people angry that they had to be a little more scientific (but not really scientific) about it. It’s an interesting phenomenon.

Also, no volume of tweets is going to make it so people don’t drive fast in the snow. For as long as I can remember, people drive too fast for the conditions every time it snows, and crashes ensue for no reason.

The interstate exit we take has a nasty sharp radius curve to it, and almost every single storm all winter someone overshoots it and goes down into a gully between the off- and on-ramps where there’s no hope of self-recovery, but also little chance of injury with nothing really to hit. So I get to chuckle, every time, at some fool’s tracks down into Never Land. Totally avoidable. 

Future Heap Owner > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch 11/26/2018 at 13:43

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Subris: not just for Outback drivers anymore.

McMike > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch 11/26/2018 at 13:45

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This is just to remind people who have purchased AWD trucklets in the last year that they can’t stop any faster - despite what their salesman told them.

Tekamul > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch 11/26/2018 at 13:50

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This is why I keep an anchor dangling out my trunk, suspended by a small rope. With a jack knife on my dash, I’m ready to upgrade my stopping power at a moments notice.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch 11/26/2018 at 13:54

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A walk through the parking area at the local grocery store and I’m totally judging tires... I see you Honda CRV with bald all seasons!!!!

Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch 11/26/2018 at 13:56

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That’s why I like to do the SSJ’s snow brake adjustments right in front of the police station. (Well, that and because the parking lot has markers so I can measure the stopping distance easier.) It usually draws a crowd too. Because who doesn’t want to see a 7000lbs SUV going sideways?

feather-throttle-not-hair > functionoverfashion 11/26/2018 at 13:58

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Heh, totally anecdotal, but this reminds me of a story my former cubemate once told me.

He was driving his old 80's Subaru legacy in the snowy mountains on a twisty road lined with big snowbanks. He was with his mom, so he was just driving at a normal slowish, cautionary speed. Unfortunately a Honda Accord driven by someone very impatient got behind him and began to tailgate him, not leaving nearly enough room to brake should he have to .

Finally, my former co-worker had had enough: On a slow, low speed corner, he just didn’t really slow down and took the corner at as close to 10/10ths as he could manage. This particular former cubemate also owns a lotus E lise that he regularly takes to the racetrack . He is a good driver.

When he looked in his mirror, the Honda was no longer tailgating him. The Honda was instead stuck in a snow bank. Problem solved.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch 11/26/2018 at 14:00

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The problem I have whether snow vs all season and similar debates is that people are making a false assumption about new tires or a properly maintained vehicle when I would say that a disturbing number in the road are far from it. In addition to functionoverfadhion the false assumption the driver knows what they’re doing per the conditions.   

Urambo Tauro > Tekamul 11/26/2018 at 14:02

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Deploy the chute!

farscythe - makin da cawfee! > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch 11/26/2018 at 14:09

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ive currently only got 1 wheel braking

and its my front wheel.... not ideal on the slippery slides

PartyPooper2012 > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch 11/26/2018 at 14:16

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Jan’s prius needs winter tires. She has pissed off entire neighborhood with her summer tire shenanigans

Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo > functionoverfashion 11/26/2018 at 14:27

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If we ever get a decent snow here it would be fun to try this in my Disco. Same vehicle you could get:

Full 4WD - Center locked, TC enabled, ABS enabled

Traditional 4WD - Center locked, TC disabled, ABS enabled

Old School 4WD - Center locked, TC disabled, ABS disabled

Full AWD - Center unlocked, TC e nabled, ABS e nabled

Medicore AWD - Center unlocked, TC disabled, ABS enabled

Terribad AWD - Center unlocked, TC disabled, ABS disabled

functionoverfashion > Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo 11/26/2018 at 14:30

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That would be fun! For sure I’ve played with ABS disabled vs enabled, and in loose snow or very slippery surfaces, ABS does not decrease stopping distance; quite the opposite - it might allow you to steer safely, but it doesn’t make you stop faster. I have had some interesting discussions with people about this.

functionoverfashion > feather-throttle-not-hair 11/26/2018 at 14:31

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That is awesome.

3point8isgreat > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch 11/26/2018 at 14:33

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Ooo Lawrence PD! I actually got to stop for a truck that spun into the ditch on the interstate while driving to Lawrence last night. Luckily they were able to get out with 4wd and we didn’t need to get my straps/kitty litter out.  The whole road was just a sheet of ice for the second time in 2 weeks.  We’re talking tap your brakes and they lock up immediately kind of ice.

Ash78, voting early and often > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch 11/26/2018 at 14:37

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But AWD does allow for more reliable drivetrain braking in slick conditions. Marginally so, but it helps. Once you hit the brakes, everyone is basically on a level playing field.